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Remarks from mitch mcconnell, what's your take in terms of which party has more pressure on them now that we're in day two of this shutdown? >> it's a bad situation for both sides. you look at the polling right now. more people combined when republicans and trump than blame democrats. that's not a great situation for republicans. on the other end, democrats have living through this. i think they understand that it is really very, very difficult to get a president to do something he doesn't want to do through a government shutdown. the lever doesn't work to compel a president to do something he...

You have to make sure pulling one lever doesn't affect -- >> of course. it's a complicated system. we're talking about one-seventh of our economy, our health care system. frankly i don't think republicans are going to be able to fix all the myriad problems. our health insurance system in america today under obamacare, it was happening before that, is truly imploding. we have to change it. people are going to start seeing massive additional increases in their health premiums if we don't do something to fix it. i disagree with one thing. trump has been masterful. he's gone to the house, spoke to...

Not avoiding doing it, right before a mid-term election. the democrats aren't ducking this. i think this shows the system works. megyn: what do you think? you may be right that the average voarter who goes into the polling station on november 2nd and pulls the lever doesn't think charlie rangel, isn't he a target? i'm going to vote republican. but does it just add to a feeling that in particular, independents have, right, growing disdain for incumbents? >> i think it has the same for incumbents. megyn: that's bad because democrats control the house. >> there are more incumbents than democrats....