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Government. but boehner also told his rank and file friday the president must negotiate, give in on something to chip away at the country's debt. his message to you all is i'm not rolling over on the debt ceiling? >> yes, he actually used that term. we're going to continue to use the debt ceiling as a tool, as a leverage point, to require both sides to come to the table and to negotiate for what's best for america. >> reporter: it's really unclear how that debt ceiling issue is going to be resolved, but it is becoming more and more likely that the government shutdown won't really be addressed ...

Wanted to get this done and go to conference and talk about it and john boehner refused. john avlon, a quick fact check on that. it's true but not totally true. >> what they're doing right now is explaining to the american people why democrats are rejecting speaker boehner's offer to solve this in congress. they thought it might avoid a shutdown. they are saying the reason we are having this fight is because we haven't passed a budget. we have been wanting to go to conference but the republicans have blocked it. >> and the republicans blocked it because democrats wanted to include an increase ...

Tolerate even some days of a shutdown before they might give? it's the classic case of a negotiation and trying to determine where will the end game be played out. nobody seems to think it would go long like it did in 1995 where that was a few weeks. most are saying a couple of days. again, we have to see real solutions to try and make it work. >> as people look at this, how much are they keeping an eye on the debt ceiling, which needs to be raised by october 17th? >> that's the other important thing to look at. it's not just one issue and one crisis. there is that other big deadline hanging o...

Speaker john boehner is putting pressure on senator cruz and other senate conservatives to fall through. to get the votes for defunding, but of course we know that's going to be very difficult. >> here's the thing. the reason that the drama seems so high and the reason that people are now going at each other in the public spotlight is everyone understands, they are now all collectively pursuing a doomed strategy. i mean, is that realization dawning on everyone? >> that's exactly right. there's really a strange thing happening within the republican party. we saw in the summer, senator ted cruz ...

But of course we know that's going to be very difficult. >> here's the thing. the reason that the drama seems so high and the reason that people are now going at each other in the public spotlight is everyone understands, they are now all collectively pursuing a doomed strategy. i mean, is that realization dawning on everyone? >> that's exactly right. there's really a strange thing happening within the republican party. we saw in the summer, senator ted cruz went on a nine-city tour with heritage foundation, with heritage action, stoking activists. telling activists that de-funding is a possib...