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Here's the question right now, governor. it seems that's a face saver because they say taxes deferred or delayed are taxes avoided. if they say we'll get to defending the rich later. we'll let their taxes go up in january. it seems that's a face-saver even if they say we'll get to it later. >> well, i think what happens, chris, though is think about the issue of leverage -- by the way, no one is thinking about what's right for the country. let's think about the issue of political leverage. >> oh, you and i are. >> that's right. and alex, too. >> what about me? >> and alex. >> i said you too, a...

Here's the question right now, govern governor. it seems that's a face saver because they say taxes deferred or delayed are taxes avoided. if they say we'll get to defending the rich later. we'll let their taxes go up in january. it seems that's a face-saver even if they say we'll get to it later. >> well, i think what happens, chris, though is think about the issue of leverage -- by the way, no oneç is thinking about what right for the country. let's think about the issue of political leverage. >> oh, you and i are. >> that's right. and alex, too. >> what about me? >> and alex. >> i said yo...

Deadline and statutory barring. that's the debt ceiling coming up later this year, early part of next year. here's the question right now, governor. it seems that's a face saver because they say taxes deferred or delayed are taxes avoided. if they say we'll get to defending the rich later. we'll let their taxes go up in january. it seems that's a face-saver even if they say we'll get to it later. >> well, i think what happens, chris, though is think about the issue of leverage -- by the way, no one is thinking about what's right for the country. let's think about the issue of political leverag...