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But is this the kind of help that this community really needs right now? joining me is the founder of staying true to america's national destiny, pastor ew jackson. a tragedy loss here. now what's we're seeing in terms of consequences in terms of protesters is he the answer? >> he needs to march back to new york to msnbc. i want to point out the irony, we have this happening while we have the first black president, the second black attorney general, a city in which there is a black mayor and a black governoring structure. it tells you something is wrong with the leadership. al sharpton represe...

And destruction, 15 police officers were injured. seriously so. trying to tame this fire here. to include the proverbial gas and match, that is al sharpton into this equation can't make things better, can it? >> isn't it interesting that when the president talked to the governor who is now called up the national guard, he told him to restrain himself. what about restraint against these thugs? what about restraint against attacking police officers? the good people in baltimore need to stand up and tell these folks you don't represent us. we will solve our own problems working together with our ...

Demoralize the democratic electorate in other states. >> the demographics of virginia have changed quite a bit over the last ten years as a much more cultural diverse state, southern state. what does that mean in this off year? motivating minorities to vote, i think, is going to be a real big thing. what's your sense of the turnout from what your people have seen on the ground? >> that's what we're concentrating on. from here to the -- to election district attorney. it's all going to be about turnout. frankly, that was true also in virginia in 2008. it was all about turnout. and we did it. we ...

Hurt cuccinelli? >> you know, i think it does, because sequester politics and the sequester is a lot like a slow-motion shutdown, across-the-board cuts, and that is hurting military families as it squeezes the pentagon. and i think the military voters hate the sequester and the shutdown more than they are homophob homophobic. and by the way, there is not a lot of homophobia in the military. there is not as much as e.w. jackson hopes there is. >> all right, joan walsh and also a wonderful to have both of you here tonight. and terri o'neill, thanks so much. thanks for coming from washington to d...

>> what's going on with e.w. jackson, who i jokingly call ew, in part of his social issue stances. he's said the entire democratic party is anti-god and anti-family. >> lieutenant governor and governor are elected separately in virginia. this is a situation where e.w. jackson wants it to be the cuccinelli/jackson ticket. cuccinelli wants it to be, you have two choices here. e.w. jackson, see every time he says something like this, ken cuccinelli can't control it. his campaign can't control it. every time he says it, every voter in virginia is reminded this is ken cuccinelli's running mate, on ...