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Country last year. the problem for david cameron is, the free movement across the borders in the e.u. 228,000 of those came from the eu. there is nothing he can do. those two, use, immigration, european union referendum feed into each other. >> they seem to be the more emotive issues, thor to for david cameron, the conservatives as well. you have logical arguments. numbers, spread sheets you can point to. hey, we steadied the economy and done well. that doesn't necessarily get people out to the polls? >> it is interesting on the economy. the conservative, lib cal, democrat coalition has real a...

In other words, it's kind of almost like a regular trade negotiation where they're trying to get the ukrainian economy to become more market friendly. the rugs, on the other hand, are playing a geopolitical game, and they first offered ukraine essentially a $15 billion subsidized fuel and such and then just recently another $2 billion bribe, which was bonds. so putin is basically saying here's cash, no conditions asked, you be part of my sphere of influence. the europeans, on the other hand, are playing this much longer-term game to try to ukraine into a kind of liberal class, lib cal, democra...

And you fear monger about republicans and say they will take us back to the sweatshop days of yore and rally your lib cal base and also send an argument, make an argument to the middle class. >> so, dorothy, a long, long way from hope and change what. do you make of the strategy. >> i think he can rally the liberal base, but enrage everyone else, and may have noticed that obama has been in office for three years now and everything he says has a tinge, why are we in the mess we're in now? all of the things he's talking about, there's not a single what-- how can he tell us how we're going to get...

And you fear monger about republicans and say they will take us back to the sweatshop days of yore and rally your lib cal base and also send an argument, make an argument to the middle class. >> so, dorothy, a long, long way from hope and change what. do you make of the strategy. >> i think he can rally the liberal base, but enrage everyone else, and may have noticed that obama has been in office for three years now and everything he says has a tinge, why are we in the mess we're in now? all of the things he's talking about, there's not a single what-- how can he tell us how we're going to get...

>> yes, it's not a lib cal, conservative thing, everything the show is liberal versus conservative. they would go after anybody who was overweight and there would be fat issues, and the real issue is a health issue, is he up to, you know, being -- i don't think he's going to run. >> and alan said it again, and slips that knife in there. oh, he's not qualified. >> i didn't say he he wasn't qualified. i didn't say that. >> and i didn't say he wasn't-- >> jim, i didn't say he wasn't qualified, it wasn't going to run, i didn't say that. >> the rhetorical, you did mt mention-- >> i never said that....