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Reagan. >> we're joined now by liz mair, republican strategy and president of mary strategies. also joining us, rick wilson, republican strategist and contributor to the daily beast. liz, as i listened to the pence speech tonight, he mentioned president trump frequently throughout the speech, but if you took out the words trump, everything about it was kind of good old-fashioned republican reaganism, all the way through, no build the wall stuff, no ban muslims, none of the modern trademarks of trumpism. >> right, and what you're going to see, this divergence between what pence said tonight and...

Also joining us, rick wilson, republican strategist and contributor to the daily beast. liz, as i listened to the pence speech tonight, he mentioned president trump frequently throughout the speech, but if you took out the words trump, everything about it was kind of good old-fashioned republican reaganism, all the way through, no build the wall stuff, no ban muslims, none of the modern trademarks of trumpism. >> right, and what you're going to see, this divergence between what pence said tonight and what trump is going to say, really, i think, is emblematic of the divisions you're seeing amon...

That makes a big difference. >> john, what's this going to do to your fight? it's going to begin, i hear the first debate may be in september. i watched other people and their ability to dominate the stage. he might be one who does dominate the debate with those kinds of assertions. >> well, it was a very impressive opening to a presidential bid. i thought that his personal story was actually quite compelling. i'm not a big ted cruz fan. you understand that. but i think that he does crowd out some other big names. how does mike huckabee get into the race now? how does rick santorum? the fact h...

This. he could walk on to that stage and present presidential-level optics without having to lift a finger on the organizing front. that makes a big difference. >> john, what's this going to do to your fight? it's going to begin, i hear the first debate may be in september. i watched other people and their ability to dominate the stage. he might be one who does dominate the debate with those kinds of assertions. >> well, it was a very impressive opening to a presidential bid. i thought that his personal story was actually quite compelling. i'm not a big ted cruz fan. you understand that. but i...