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Was full of some of that soloed i had. to have. well i'm joined by christoph hi yes with doctors without borders you're in berlin he leads the organization's libya policy it's good to have you on the show i mean that report that we just saw how common is it to see successful stories of migration from libya today to be honest it's not very common what we can see there i'm coming from libya just 2 weeks ago when we see that the departure facilities which i knew were in one day in the country and 2 we set of people currently detained in libya is not working because the facilities are full and cou...

There are was any discrimination in this particular case. i think we can just talk about that. >> as susan rice in her interview says i'm keeping my theories to myself. did the fact of who i am have something to do with that perhaps. >> not so indirect accusation. >> we look at the ways nancy pelosi is treated. and we look at the way sarah palin has been treated. women do face undue scrutiny. >> this is nationally politics. this isn't particularly interesting. let's stick to the facts and talk about the substance. you and i agree there great deal about benghazi that is overwrought. i will tell...

If they would have gotten to the tent, that would have been a different story. s . >> do you think there is something in it? >> i to. the problem is the actual critique that the helps have of hillary clinton is actually about policy. it's not this scandal conversation. it's overall was the libya policy, was the libya move which you pushed the right move. i don't think that's necessarily that you conduct in a congressional investigation. that's an argument that you have in front ever the voters. and this is something that i think that is another example there where it's like the amount of e-mai...

To me was representative roscoe who went after secretary clinton on both of his lines of questioning for -- he was trying to basically say she was responsible for the libya policy, for basically the decision to join the coalition to remove gadhafi from power. the first time he did that, it's like okay, what does that have to do with benghazi? that is a direct political criticism of secretary clinton, and that's debatable. but that's got nothing to do with benghazi. the second time that representative roscoe did it was even more insulting. he went after her, trying to claim she was trying to ta...

Policy things including libya and, you know, she forwarded some of his e-mails and their point was, the republican point was look, he e-mailed you more than chris stevens. >> a more direct line to you than chris stevens. >> exactly. he knew your personal e-mail. chris stevens didn't know your personal e-mail and it was part of their larger, you know, their larger narrative here which was a, you own libya policy. which was bad. and they could make that case. but then they started going down this path of you were there in 2012 and didn't pay enough attention to security, which she answered. you ...