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>> there are no substantive debates. we talk about the conversation that happens around the real issues but we don't talk about the issue behind they. it's become reality tv politics. >> nobody is willing to have -- the thing is, when you start having an honest conversation about health care, about you know what, end of life issues, we're spending all this money on end of live issues and all of a sudden everybody runs away. you talk about the substance, it becomes more politically toxic. >> i worked for a long time for ted kennedy and he used to say there's a reason why health care reform hasn...

Neil gorsuch appointment, and then subsequently his confirmation onto the court, as well as continuing activity on regulatory reform. some of the stuff that he's doing around life issues, on the abortion issue. i think he's got enough there to hold support with the base and even those areas where he's changing positions, or maybe flexing some of this positions a little bit, in those areas, those are things that necessarily i think would appeal to some conservatives. so i don't think he's at a threat of losing his base. i think the question is, if he remains mired in the high 30s or drops even ...

>> we're going to break away from the hearing and get some analysis. jeffrey toobin, that was a very, very powerful, dramatic moment in that last exchange that neil gorsuch, the judge had, with senator feinstein. >> one of the unusual things about judge gorsuch as a nominee is he has actually written a lengthy and substantive book about assisted suicide, about these end of life issues. as he says, it was his doctoral dissertation at oxford which he turned into a book. it's interesting, i've read much of the book, i haven't read the whole book. he seemed to be erring a little bit on the side of...

Life issues. and it's very hard. >> and you've studied this as well. >> in that book he's taken the clearest positions he's taking on anything, a quite conservative view, that i think that judges might not agree with in some of these cases that are coming up the pike, because what he's saying is that you could never interventintionally take , and that could be any kind of aid in dying by a physician. he was very careful to say he would set aside that view as a judge. but i think we're going to see more questioning on this issue because that's where he has the deepest record and has spoken to c...

Know what i heard from, they touched on a lot of things in a very short period of time. plus, with all of the applause lines in between. i didn't hear anyone complaining that he left out life issues or, you know, the transgender bathroom issue and i feel like they are relieved that they didn't touch on that. and i don't feel like there's any gray areas for him to get into on that at all. i thought my responses from republicans who i interviewed as they came out of the chamber was that they thought he touched on a lot of different things and the important issues, like health care, immigration r...