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Story line. >> it makes it much harder to argue that point, especially because when you're a figural like manafort, you're heavily involved in everything the trump campaign was doing. so he was the point of contact for many people trying to get into the campaign. he knew -- a lot of people in washington knew about manafort's shady business dealings before, and they still hired him on the campaign. so that raises questions of judgment and evaluation of character on behalf of trump and anyone else who participated in hiring paul manafort in the first place. >> daniel lippman, joey jackson, thank...

Anywhere, their demands are getting more ridiculous. once they conclude that there's no point in still negotiating over this potential interview, and if they still need trump's take on everything that went down, then you're looking into something approaching september, october when they would subpoena. what trump's lawyers are worried about is he has a history of not telling the truth in these types of depositions, and just in general as a public figure. so they're worried they could get him on obstruction or just perjury. >> joey, let's switch to the manafort story line, and this new reportin...

Explain the legal exposure, the potential quid pro quo for the banker, for manafort and who is exposed here? >> put it this way, we're talking about evidence that would be introduced in the manafort trial. what they're attempting to do is to establish giving the jury information as to why the loans were approved. why they were approved is because you had a high-level executive intervene and otherwise overrule which perhaps would not be an approved loan because of the quid pro quo. hey, i want to be a part of the company and as a result of that i'm going to approve this loan. speaking as a defe...

Signed these early morning raid orders before as a superior court judge in new jersey, what is the process going forward after such a raid regarding manafort and the bigger picture? >> the evidence that they obtained will be examined and sort of put in whatever puzzle they're putting together. and then it will be explained to a grand jury and probably seek an indictment of somebody. their m.o., the standard operating procedure of federal prosecutors is to indict lower level people, even on extraneous crimes. >> shepard: like manafort. >> correct. they could persuade him, hey, if you tell us kn...

The trump campaign. robert mueller's team plans to present that evidence at trial. here is sara murray with more. >> reporter: paul manafort's role as the former trump campaign chairman wasn't expected to be a part of his upcoming trials that have to do with financial charges and allegations of former lobbying work. special counsel robert mueller's team decided they would change all that putting out a new filing on friday evening. prosecutors say they node to present this information because they say manafort applied for mortgages and used that money basically as slush money. they're saying th...