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Themselves, he took the meeting and one only can suspect that the russians left that meeting saying they're game. we don't have to know all of the details but they took the meeting. >> paul, the meeting raises the question as to is it illegal or not? was it treason or not? was it collusion. richard painter was the ethics lawyer for george w. bush. here he is. >> we do not get our opposition research from spies. we do not collaborate with russian spies unless we need to be accused of treason. >> treason? >> no, it's not prees son. that's when the rosenberg steal secrets and you're trying to get...

Anyone who has met him for five minutes, this is not a role that i think he wanted. but because he spent his lifetime protecting and defending the united states, he felt compelled to basically state the obvious, which is the russians continue to sort of press the battlefield for 2018 and 2020 and even though there is an investigation going on about potential collusion between the trump campaign and russia and that will be decided by lawyers, i think it's safe to say now that president trump is an enabler of russia's interference. so his failure to do anything about it, you don't have to call i...

That revealed contacts and interactions between russian officials and u.s. persons involved in the trump campaign. >> reporter: for the first time, john brennan saying during the campaign he was concerned about ties between the russians and the trump team. so much so, he thought the fbi should investigate and said he warned the russians to cut it out. >> it raised questions in my mind again whether or not the russians were able to gain the cooperation of those individuals. >> reporter: but today he stopped short of calling it collusion. >> i don't know whether or not such "collusion" -- and th...

Members of the trump team, the russians would discuss among themselves those meetings and those contacts. and what was happening was u.s. spy agencies were picking up on that. >> but brennan stopped short of calling it collusion. he called it contact. what's the implication there, that some of it might have been inadvertent on the part of the trump campaign, or they don't have the evidence to prove there was collusion? >> well, i think to get at the issue of collusion, you really need to understand, obviously, the intent of everybody involved and what the point was. what were the russians seek...

As many feared, president trump's problems at home are following him abroad in rome. it is expected he will obtain a private attorney about his alleged probe into russia. >> it is said that there were active contact of members of trump's campaign but that they would not call it collusion. >> after the pope criticized trump for his nonchristian values. saying he is building walls