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An unsuccessful investigation. that could be the case here. i think all of these questions about is it collusion or not, that is not the end of the inquiry here. i think there are bigger questions here. >> and the question of what will we find out. let me read from this "new york times" opinion piece, the report is unlikely to be rengty by design, a concise summary of what he found, he is mandated to look into criminaltivi activity. what are you expecting? >> i think what we need to focus on here is the original mandate is so look at links or coordinations between the russian government and

Think? one set of facts with two different conclusions? >> well, that's possible. i mean, again, consider the word "collusion," right? collusion is actually not a legal term. there's no particular definition of it. is it collusion when the president's son, donald trump jr., invites russians to trump tower in order to give him dirt on the political opponent? is it collusion, you know, the conversations that we still don't know much about that manafort, when he was running president trump's campaign had with konstantin kilimnik, this individual who has ties to russian intelligence. again, we kno...

It could come down to -- one set of facts but two different conclusions? >> that's possible. consider the word collusion, collusion is actually not a legal term. there is no particular definition of it. is it collusion when the president's son donald trump jr., invites russians to trump tower in order to give him dirt on the political component? the conversation that we don't know about that manafort when he was running president trump's campaign had with constantine. we know there was all kinds of communications back and forth and everybody who had that communication lied about it. at the end...

Of whatever the mueller probe is, if it is more damaging than this. >> i think of those two words, frankly, as synonyms. the work "bank heist" doesn't appear in the criminal code but bank robbery is a crime. whether you call it collusion or conspiracy, if two people agree to do something that the law forbids and one takes a step to further that goal, that's a crime. you can call it collusion, you can call it conspiracy. it's illegal either way. >> thanks to you, chuck rosenberg, matt miller, and of course ken dilanian, thanks for breaking that news on our program. for breaking news in washin...

It's going to happen, and there will be conspiracy and there will be collusion, and will they react -- will they believe robert mueller, i guess is my question? >> i'm hoping that investigation is going to happen through congress gets beyond that. so collusion isn't the only thing. there is other wrongdoing that could be found. and so obstruction of justice is a conversation to figure out like can we prove that. there is so much to -- there are so many questions to ask. and what i am interested in is this congress now, how nancy pelosi and her folks are going to ask the right questions. becaus...