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Racism in this election, you look up to georgia, you're seeing robo calls, similar ads playing out. your reaction to this, what we've seen there and also just the cultural and political import of this race in particular. >> i mean, as you were saying, trump has shown that this sort of racial fear continues to work. some people might have thought after the election of obama with, this is not going to work any more, but clearly it does still work. and this appealing to the fear and the lizard brain of certain people really works, really activates people. people will forget about the kitchen tabl...

Message for these voters. it is extremely likely to electrify the republican base in close collective lizard brain mr. clinton still looms large the ultimate boogey man. we're back with our panel. bill, does hillary clinton loom large within your lizard brain? >> still digesting that whole lizard brain thing. >> melissa: i know. >> slur on republicans. >> it's an attack. >> it's amazing. i think hillary is so desperate to stay relevant that she's willing to say anything. however, i don't think her defending her husband should be a shock to anyone. that's the expected answer. when it comes to s...

Going to do then? >> i think he's going to refuse to sit down and wait and see what mueller does. they'll fight a subpoena if they get one. after the subpoena comes of course, they can back down and say okay, now we'll sit for the interview. mueller might take that given how long the litigation would drag out. he still has that in his back pocket so he might as well push hard and ehow it goes. >> there's two theorys, one is the president has been increasingly lashing out at mueller because he's panicking or unable to control himself, he's been restrained and now not. and the other this is a th...

Going to do then? >> i think he's going to refuse to sit down and wait and see what mueller does. they'll fight a subpoena if they get one. after the subpoena comes of course, they can back down and say okay, now we'll sit for the interview. mueller might take that given how long the litigation would drag out. he still has that in his back pocket so he might as well push hard and ehow it goes. >> there's two theorys, one is the president has been increasingly lashing out at mueller because he's panicking or unable to control himself, he's been restrained and now not. and the other this is a th...

Today may have been that day. i think there's a strong case that the country would today -- i understand the reasons why the country is well off and served by mr. rosenstein, which is another scenario. he comes to the president, i won't do it sir and i won't quit. you can fire me. and by the way, mr. rosenstein has three other resignations in his pocket. and you create -- you respond -- rachel said a very good thing, you respond to the lizard brain you treat this like a confrontation to a dangerous president. maybe it eats you anyway and we're in a constitutional crisis. but this slow moving o...