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On an indian reservation. so, you know, there are all kinds of different interests who would want a little bit of influence, little bit of access, little bit of favor from someone with that sort of authority over such a wide swath of government policy. >> there is no prohibition of this in congress. it is a pay to play, you may not like it but it does actually happen. are there different rules in the executive branch in the white house? >> well, in terms of lobbying reporting, you know, very often -- well, the short answer is no. >> right. >> these same interests lobbying mick mulvaney can lob...

So mr. tillerson in 2014 started to lobby the united states government asking them to shift or lift the sanctions. now in his confirmation hearing he says, as he said, i have never lobbied against sanctions personally to my knowledge, exxonmobil never directly lobbied against sanctions, and yet there is lobbying reporting that shows that exxonmobil actually paid over $300,000 to lobbyists in 2014, and that mr. tillerson visited the white house five times in 2014, and treasury with secretary lu seven times. is there something disconcerting about a u.s. ceo attempting to