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because they were never meant for public consumption in the aftermath, we were never meant to see them. but on a deeper level, whether there was a paper trail about some of these decisions, rishi sunak said basically that he didn t think there was a particular issue with that, it wasn t like he was trying to hide anything, but some of these conversations did take place in private. all this came up from an article that was written in the spectator magazine in the summer of last year, which was an interview that was done with rishi sunak at the time when he was a leadership contender. where he talked generally about how decisions were being made during the time. and i think it was quite an interesting insight into exactly that. let s hear a little bit from it now. exactly that. let s hear a little bit from it now. the author of the article says bit from it now. the author of the article says that bit from it now. the author of the article says that you bit from it ....
a position which appears to have been agreed suggest this was not an open ended debate which led to a consistent decision. there was the ability to be able to unwind or unpick a position which had already been reached. do you agree with both those propositions or neither? obviously i didn t write the e mail, and i don t know precisely what it refers to. is it possible that i might have had a chat with the prime minister once a meeting wound up on my way back somewhere, of course that s possible. he might have said to me, that was interesting, i m thinking x, as a result of it, i don t think anything is wrong with that. i don t recall, huddle or not, it might havejust that. i don t recall, huddle or not, it might have just been that. i don t recall, huddle or not, it might havejust been him giving me a sense of where his head was at that particular moment in time. and i don t think there is anything particularly untoward about that, to be honest. as i have talked previou ....
away from the fact he is in power now, he is in charge now so there is jeopardy for rishi sunak particularly this week when he s not exactly having a great time. he wasn t in the number one job at the time but wasn t in the number one job at the time but the wasn t in the number one job at the time but the fact he now is puts jeopardy time but the fact he now is puts jeopardy on him and any of the other people jeopardy on him and any of the other pebble who jeopardy on him and any of the other people who have given evidence so far because he is still currently prime far because he is still currently prime minister and this will be watched prime minister and this will be watched closely notjust prime minister and this will be watched closely not just by members of the watched closely not just by members of the public looking at how he comes of the public looking at how he comes across, as you ve already mentioned, comes across, as you ve already mention ....
could, i think they were. but it is clear the test. sure, o and s structures made things, i think, work more effectively and effectively and there were not there at the beginning and it is good they were implemented and improved to continue and continue to improve over time. the other thing i would say is i think there is this perception that somehow, decisions are not being made in these forums. but my strong recollection is that they were. covid o and s with the places where an appropriate group of people came to discuss and deliberate for the prime minister to make his decision. there is obviously a trade off between speed of decision making and the number of people involved. it was ever thus. that s probably no perfect answer. ultimately, it is for the prime minister to figure out the right balance between those two things. broadly, i thought 0 and s structures did that. but decision making is the reality of government. what would be normal as there would be a series o ....
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