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They never can and never do. so he doesn't think particularly when it comes to the upper income that they should -- he said they should pay more. that's echoed by a few others. it's only way the balance this up. don't cut the upper income tax rate. >> what we know from the kennedy and reagan tax cuts, the one group that paid way more in taxes after the tax cut were the highest income earns. that's the one group. >> neil: as a group in general. they stopped using tax shelters and gimmicks and loop holes and they actually paid their taxes. that's what happened under reagan. i'm just looking at t...

Every president has released his tax return. and president trump is the first president that has refused to release his tax returns. i think that's going have very serious consequences. there is no way he is going to be able to get this so-called tax reform bill through congress. first of all, most of the proposals i've seen don't provide bumpus for the middle class anyway. that is complicated if you have a billionaire president who won't release his tax returns so you won't know which loop holes he is benefitting. from it could very well be a situation where the so-called tax reform bill just...

Away the loop holes. the tax cut would be take against way the loop holes. not necessarily taking rates down for the ultra earners, but the middle class he's committed to lowering taxes. he said that multiple times. >> real quickly. can't wait for the interview. how is he taking this in? it's a business titan using to getting his way. how is he dealing with the adjustment? >> i asked him to give us an example. he said it's hard. i inherited a mess. there's a lot of moving parts but a lot of common ground as well. his priority has been growth. as a business man, you're looking at how to growth ...

Transition officials. the unmasked names people associated with donald trump were send to all of the nsc, some at dod, james clapper, john brennan and john rhodes. these are all people close to trump and including family members for up to a years before he took office. when names are accidentally collected, they're supposed to be masked meaning they're redacted from report whether it's international or domestic collection unless it's a crime or security of the people mentioned is threatened in any way. but there's loop holes, neil. americans are supposed to be protected from incidental collect...

Will be running up bigger deficits in the early years. you say what? >> there's only one way to do this and balancing the budget. all those hundreds of specials provisions and loop holes and exceptions for a few have to go away. so we can lower the rates for everybody. it's a mathematical -- you cannot keep all of these -- >> neil: how would you offset it on any spending though? would you look at commensurate spending cuts? >> that's spending through the tax code. >> neil: so everything is done through the tax code. >> yes. those are eliminated. so everyone can get a lower tax rate. the only w...