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From it what they want to take. is he keenly aware, first of all, is he disappointed and secondly and he says repeatedly in this interview he knows he let a lot of people down. and when you see something like this, which he believes he could have prevented from happening, yeah, he feel as tremendous sense of frustration. >> shepard: it was his fault he lost, in my opinion. he didn't do what he had to do to close the deal and he didn't take advantage of the benghazi/libya situation and the foreign policy debate. he came off as detached from reality and didn't show the people an urgency that cer...

House it starts kicking. in 50 employees it kicks in. and the costs are ratcheting up quickly. $2,000 fines for not providing obama care. the penalties are onerous for a small business in particular. >> bill: okay. so do you believe that that has constrained people from even starting up businesses or is it just kind of like we're not going to hire anymore people? >> we can't really tell on job creation, bill. job creation is running, you know, it slipped a little bit, about 5% or 6% over the course of the last couple of years. overall job creation remains at very high levels. up near the level...

House it starts kicking. in 50 employees it kicks in. and the costs are ratcheting up quickly. $2,000 fines for not providing obama care. the penalties are onerous for a small business in particular. >> bill: okay. so do you believe that that has constrained people from even starting up businesses or is it just kind of like we're not going to hire anymore people? >> we can't really tell on job creation, bill. job creation is running, you know, it slipped a little bit, about 5% or 6% over the course of the last couple of years. overall job creation remains at very high levels. up near the level...

House it starts kicking. in 50 employees it kicks in. and the costs are ratcheting up quickly. $2,000 fines for not providing obama care. the penalties are onerous for a small business in particular. >> bill: okay. so do you believe that that has constrained people from even starting up businesses or is it just kind of like we're not going to hire anymore people? >> we can't really tell on job creation, bill. job creation is running, you know, it slipped a little bit, about 5% or 6% over the course of the last couple of years. overall job creation remains at very high levels. up near the level...

From it what they want to take. is he keenly aware, first of all, is he disappointed and secondly and he says repeatedly in this interview he knows he let a lot of people down. and when you see something like this, which he believes he could have prevented from happening, yeah, he feel as tremendous sense of frustration. >> shepard: it was his fault he lost, in my opinion. he didn't do what he had to do to close the deal and he didn't take advantage of the benghazi/libya situation and the foreign policy debate. he came off as detached from reality and didn't show the people an urgency that cer...