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Jobs are being added. you would think that people are feeling good. well, guess what, they're not. in fact, only half americans -- actually a third of americans think that the economy is in good shape. >> doesn't it lead us to the inevitable conclusion, that we are misanalyzing what matters and impacts on the families that need help the most, that they don't did the benefit from the market and even the companies that get more equity from what happens in the market aren't hiring them. they're not getting better jobs. so the main swath of the country doesn't benefit from all this glory that we'r...

The football. >> there we go with charlie brown again. >> wall street has grown accustomed to that, right? >> i think basically so. we've seen three debt ceiling basically -- washington falls apart over the debt ceiling three times in just over three years. so wall street has seen that. and after the last government shutdown, gdp actually went up a bit. we're expecting it could be okay. >> consumers are spending less right now. this is a critical time right before the holiday season, right? >> absolutely. this is the disconnect that's happening. they saw what was going on in washington and saw...

Percolating along. never had the downside of the deep trough of the recession we had earlier periods. as long as gdp is plodding along as it has been, we shouldn't expect growth. you add the fiscal traps on top of that helps us figure out why we are stuck where we are. >> katherine, we start talking about growth and we start talking about structural things, know, e noe noelle, i wanted to come to you. what keeps it from growing? >> a lot of lack of confidence from people dropping out of the labor force and also among businesses who aren't hiring. saw this past week that small businesses think ...

Uncertainty, aren't hiring. when they do hire, they are hiring part-time workers instead of full-time workers and that's why we're still at almost 8% unemployment in this country. >> can i ask you a quick question before i let you go? you are a featured speaker at cpac. two big noninvites are chris christie and bob mcdonnell. what do you make of the omissions? >> i'm not on the committee. >> i know. but what do you make of it? >> i am delighted to be invited. this is the next generation, a youthful crowd, and i'm looking forward to visiting with them on the issues of health occasicare. very de...

House it starts kicking. in 50 employees it kicks in. and the costs are ratcheting up quickly. $2,000 fines for not providing obama care. the penalties are onerous for a small business in particular. >> bill: okay. so do you believe that that has constrained people from even starting up businesses or is it just kind of like we're not going to hire anymore people? >> we can't really tell on job creation, bill. job creation is running, you know, it slipped a little bit, about 5% or 6% over the course of the last couple of years. overall job creation remains at very high levels. up near the level...