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Least five people, actually a lot more that, who would rather be watered butler's journey then vote for kevin mccarthy, speaker the house. i have one of them. cooler work earthy. whatever kevin promised marjorie taylor greene, i guarantee you this, that the first opportunity, he was up her faster than you can say jewish space laser. i wish that was not the case, but it is the conduct and pattern and practice of kevin mccarthy over years that showcase this. >> you can just tell how much he really wants to be a podcast hosts, -- maybe she'll be one of those retirees. >> tonight, donald trump, yo...

But then there is the question of what do you deliver? big question to me, congresswoman, the debt ceiling, the fear of shutdowns, destruction as being in the kind of political interests of their caucus as a whole, particularly with donald trump purging them up. >> yes, i would just say in response to jake, look, i think the thing is not that there is push in pull between conservatives other republican party and modern part, but the fact that the country has already rejected maga extremism, and you do have the possibility of these maga extremists being able to control everything on the agenda....

Subsidence sense? >> i think that is right. the congresswoman would not be surprised i disagree with her a little bit with what she said. here is why. this republican majority is not only built in the conservative districts of america, it's built in blue states where republicans want a bunch of seats in new york, and in other places around the country that republicans are not really accustomed to having seats in. i do agree, and on the core of the argument, that the conservatives have more leverage perhaps -- not even then they used to in the past, but they have a lot of leverage. but it will ...

And who fired it? you heard there, just now, the president of the united states not ready to level an accusation against russia in this instance. the stakes are high. no one at the white house or across the nato alliance wants to escalate the situation and make matters worse, especially when it's not clear if the projectile came from russia, and then if so, was that intentional? common sense would suggest that russia really was launching an attack on a nato member, they probably would not have just used two missiles landing in a form field, it would be much more than that. at the moment, i thi...

I think that everyone is a kingmaker here, and the congresswoman had to do a lot with joe manchin and people like that and this congress. i think that is something that kevin mccarthy is going to have to do it in 2023 and 2024, the mic law learns, who had the triple seat chair in new york and also the marjorie taylor greene. at the core of your argument, whether there is a governing philosophy and its overarching in the house republican conference, i would concede that point, there's not a cohesive governing philosophy that is discernible. >> could that point, i think it's an important point t...