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Michael cohen's description of how trump operates, he often doesn't say much but he indicates in somewhat of an unspoken language as to what his middle managers should do and then they end up shouldering a lot of problems. explain as if you're explaining to your students what will happen in this grand jury and how weisselberg could be a focus of the investigation or could be useful against former president donald trump. >> so, the prosecutors will use the grand jury to tell a story. and they'll tell a lot more evidence than would be admissible if this were a regular trial. and in the grand jur...

A hug. it does seem like that is still on track, that it's -- the delay is not a question of things falling apart. it's more that they are optimistic enough about actually getting there that they want some more time to try and work it out. there are still some land mines to navigate. but i think that is something that we may still see progress on. the other things that we're talking about i think are broadly big picture falling back into a lot of the same patterns that we've seen all the way along. infrastructure, we were pretty optimistic about it a week ago, but now you have negotiations on ...

Individuals, then is that an airtight case? because mika, you don't charge the organization of the former president and you certainly don't charge the former president or his family members with a crime unless it's a slam dunk. unless you know you can win. >> yeah. barbara, i was just going to say, i've talked not only to legal people around new york but also a lot of political people for the past six months to a year when there was talk of donald trump possibly being tried by new york state or by vance. and their conclusion was the same thing as paul's, which is, yeah. we're probably never go...

This for the simple fact that many of the people who serve in that body may be accomplices to that crime whether directly or indirectly. indirectly meaning feeding into this lie, rallying people to get to the capitol on january 6th. there are an awful lot of people sitting up in that capitol building this morning who do not want a clear-eyed look into what happened on that day and what led up to it because it wouldn't look so good for them if they were accomplices to it. >> seems to me for republican senators in washington this is a chance to get your party back. go for the commission. still...

Accountants, taxing authorities, all kinds of people. you remember there's different pieces of this. every piece is sort of complicated. they're going to hear from a lot of folks making a lot of complicated cases one after another. >> david, more than anybody else in journalism, you have completely immersed yourself in all things trump as it pertains to financing, both before he was in the white house and while he was in the white house. what do you suspect? and of course, i've made it very clear to my audience that i absolutely, you know, i loathe the fact that for the past five years -- ther...