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More of his personal legal bills and the reason why that is significant to me, one of the things i have learned in this book is trump did say he's leaving the party. i am gone, i am creating my own party. he said he didn't care when ronald mcdaniels that you are going to destroy the party and you will never win again. the only reason he backed down because top rnc official threatened him that the move would cost him tens of millions of dollars. part of that equation was legal bills and now you see it's not just legal bills associated with the elections but they're paying legal bills associated...

Reviewers to come on instead of the actual book they reviewed. what do you want me to talk about? just talk, you are brilliant and you have a way with words and going back five years for the last book they wrote. again, you are drawing the leader in and even for a book that is with great writing and so important. as far as the presidents, theodore roosevelt and jfk and clinton and yes, presidents have written reviews. >> hey tina, it's jonathan. and words of advise from some favorite authors.

I think that it's nothing less than history of american letters. of course the past 125 years o f the book review, it's like it almost stimulated so much discussion. >> tina, i am not going to ask you if you created anything in the file from joe helick complaining about "catch 22" and the reviews was brutal. i am going the ask you back in the file, there has to be some point someone making a decision to have reviewers of some note basically being given an op-ed column in the new york times book review to review a book and insert their own feelings and views about the life they are leading with...

Audible edition and i had to stop a few times. at other times it was great to reflect on friendships and relationships and why things happened the way they did and how -- you know, because the players, you know, stayed together, we were able to change things for the positive. it was fantastic. so, it's been a roller coaster, it's been hard. i thought, you know what, everyone's been bugging me to do it for a long time. the last time i did this type of book was in the '70s. i just hope that maybe -- i talked about sexuality, i talked about my eating disorder. i talked about all these things that...

The case is going to work? >> i agree, david, joe biden does not belong to any of those four americas. he sorts of perceives them which is to his great advantage. he's not locked into the bitter divisions of the four. he's more like a roosevelt or truman democrat. i think equality is at the heart of biden's domestic program. changing our lives and our material conditions for the better. across the board and roots and showing that government can play as positive role in people's lives. that if he has an ideology which he does not. that would be it. to me that's our only chance. at the end of th...