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Islamic militants grow over time, whether it's boko haram, whether it's al qaeda in the islamic ma greb and increasingly affiliates for isis. so we have been working steadily across the obama administration and now to this administration with the french who've been historically taking the lead in that area. and that's why you saw them have a much more significant presence and bring the support in. but also i took note of the reports that said the vehicle that these soldiers were traveling in was unarmored, which indicates to me that they did not think they were going to confront enemy fire the...

At the end of the day what we all have it to remember is what president obama has talked about and hillary clinton talked about yesterday in her speech, which is this is a network of terrorism that we are discussing. if isil disappeared tomorrow and if al qaeda, the original al qaeda sort of collapsed, we now have al qaeda in the ma greb. we're going to have to continue to deal with this not only militarily, which is really the smallest response to this, but to deal with the financing infrastructure, to get strong, peaceful governance in place. that's what secretary kerry is try ing ing to get...

It's been battling extremism. give us a little perspective with regard to ties to the french. >> yeah, you got it on all those things. it's also part of the group of nations where part of the country is under the thumb of an organization called al qaeda and the islamic ma greb. when i was commanding in europe, my counterpart in africa were focused specifically on the intelligence flowing out of this area because of the rising strength of aqim. . they were specifically focused on mali because that was about the time when the president was chased out of power. there's about six or seven differen...

And they call themselves al qaeda in iraq. they call themselves the taliban. they call themselves a bunch of different al shabaab, east africa al qaeda. it doesn't make any difference. al qaeda in the ma greb. all form of radical islamists that were very extreme and vicious. >> the president has said and many believe the country was war weary when he took over. ten years in afghanistan and iraq and so on and that we were in a mind to retreat and be more, not isolationists but not interventionists in our policies. is that wrong? is that the wrong approach? >> i don't think the american public -...

Is now al qaeda stand. as it did in libya, in iraq, in marx ali and the ma greb, exploits these areas of conflict where there's a power vacuum, no leadership. they're there now building infrastructure, opening school, opening power plants, hiring people, recruiting. we would all agree that is a terrible, frightening scenario. what do we do about it? >> we're very good at listing problems at this table. pi haven't heard anyone list a solution yet. >> i'm asking you, our guest, for a solution. you work closely with the president. what are is solutions for that big problem? >> there's going to be...