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Health insurance because you take people that have pre-existing, costly conditions, and put them into a high-risk pool and you subsidize that so that it is affordable to those individuals. and so you're guaranteed coverage for pre-existing conditions, and the flexibility that you're referring to in this latest macarthur amendment, states can only apply for that waiver and flexibility if they have either a federal or state high-risk pool that guarantees that people will be able to have coverage and it will be affordable. >> so there you heard the vice president explaining how this would work sa...

Guarantees. >> salena, you interviewed him. did you touch on this? >> no. we did not talk about the health care bill. i suspect in his mind's eye, he sees the bill. the bill says that. then the waiver attached to it so the state can make the decision on its own. you know, as the bill stands, you know, he believes that it is kept in the bill. >> is that -- we don't know. what we do know -- >> the macarthur amendment where they can waive the rules and set up high risk pools to offset that. give us the headline and your impressions when you interviewed him. >> well, i would say one of the things ...

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