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Not seeing that with working families who only got a 10 year tax cut before this has to be re negotiated again, so to me it's the instability it's the fact that we don't have aures light plan for middle class families and that is -- neil: i'm surprised some of those and it's early on here but some of those middle class families are surprising beneficiaries of that corporate taxes. some of whom are sharing the wealth some companies like handing it out a case of apples, $2500 bonuses what have you. what do you make of that? >> well look first of all i'm happy to see corporations do that. you are...

With. there's nothing in that bill that they disagree, the only thing they disagree almost like a tantrum, i have to take over government, you have to do serving i want every one has to be hurt. the issue they're dealing with, we're in the room right troo i go to negotiate it, they shut down negotiations to solve the problem that they want to work on. >> and what's the result in your congress, and what, everything is in line with your thinking here, it's not worth it to come up with some sort of daca fix. >> we have the idea that it's wrong to shut the government down and hurt children and vet...

In other words, as much as they dislike shutting down the government, they really dislike shutting it down based on a single issue and in this case, daca. mark pen joins us with that of course, you recognize him as the key clinton polster. i like to call him the clinton s vingali. very good to have you my friend. >> good morning. neil: one of the things we're looking at, were you surprised by that, that people don't like these government shutdowns but it didn't play out the way typically they have. >> well, i think that there's a little risk here the democrats are taking because let's face it ...

On all those and now decided to do is hold hostage the american people and government or something that is not yet imminent. neil: senator great having you here on this new show. >> this is great. neil: great honor for you. >> great to be home in charleston. neil: senator thank you very very much. >> absolutely. neil: senator tim scott put it better than i could. right now the fact of the matter is to the senator's point that if you're looking for this the world as we know it still early but it has not happened. normally, shutdowns tend to be on the heat of the party that controls congress and...

Very well he says that paul ryan the speaker really doesn't want to tangle with daca amid the shutdown. that does echo the sentiment of that fellow behind me in the white house, donald trump has said and the administration sai by a we'll address daca but open the government first and that does seem to be with that and speaking of the white house garrett tenney is there. hi, garrett. hi, neil. good morning to you. president trump and his staff are at the white house working the phones and holding meetings to see if they can reach a deal to end the government shutdown before monday when the real...