Wagner tonight wherever you get your podcast. Now it is time for the last word with Lawrence Odonnell. Good evening. Good evening. All they have been trying to think, when is the last time i was in a room with donald trump . Because i was in a room with him today and i think, i am pretty sure this is correct, that it was 13 years ago at the white house Correspondents Dinner in 2011 when president obama had some thoughts with donald trump. That was a big one. I was sitting a couple of tables away, over there, watching the trump side of that and went down to the courtroom today to discover, alex, that 13 years later, his hair is exactly the same color. It has not aged a bit. Like a fine, fine wine. So there is a lot. There is a lot to talk about. I feel like there are a number of premises of jokes. Like donald trump and Lawrence Odonnell walk into a courtroom. There is more there. It turns out when i was walking out there was kind of a moment and were going to get to that. A moment . Im
Odonnell, the msnbc host, as he did. They reported that same, this way. As he exits, trump turns his head at lawrence, flowers, and mutters under his breath. I was sitting right next to him , next to me. Its my first time in The Trump Trial courtroom, and it seems donald trump was not pleased to see me. It looks like im very far behind donald trump but i am actually in the first row available to the press. Visually, there was nothing between donald trump and me. In the afternoon, i was sitting in another spot and i have my interpretation of what Donald Trumps face and eyes were trying to say to me and what drove him to create a moment that was worthy of a New York Times reporter. What was actually captured in a sketch by the brilliant Courtroom Artist, who will join us at the end of the hour to share what the artist i finds in looking around the trump courtroom, especially at donald trump. She has been in all of The Trump Trials and has seen more of his behavior as a defendant and poss
mafia lawyers and i sort of have a pet fascination with mafia lawyers is there s no project 65. they re actually able to stay on the other side of being disbarred. well, there s a difference between as i said representing somebody who is a serial killer, a mass murderer or grisly murderer versus getting up and spewing falsehoods and lies. that you know are falsehoods and lie. that s the distinction so i don tny that has to do with the quality of the person or the lack of quality of the person you represent. it has to do with just our legal system. and the quality of the lawyering. i want to turn, barbara, to what you think is going on inside jack smith s probe in terms of the legal/criminal exposure facing the lawyers, the john eastmans, jeffrey clarks. do you think they re in trouble? do you think they have legal defense apparatuses in place? i think they are likely to be at least subjects of this investigation if not targets, and i base that on some of the
president s attorney, despite all the clear relationship ander to attorney-client privilege that might exist, i think about the kgb. i think some of these tactics are hand-handed. i think it is not a good look. think in the end, this investigation is going to find no russian collusion and kgb or no kgb, that s the way it is going to end. rudy giuliani is the one back in the 80s who used to go after the lawyers of mafia families in order to convict those in the mafia. i wonder if he would compare those same tactics back then the same way you just did. i m telling you, i m enjoying watching rudy giuliani. i don t exactly agree with all the strategy and the roll-out here in the last several days. i think he is going to do a good job for the president. and how interacted with the mafia lawyers was i think i was probably a little bit young to remember much of that. but i know the people i faced in the mueller conference room
roy cohn was one of the most notorious mafia lawyers in new york city. he also worked for mccarthy. and it was roy cohn who instilled in donald trump during the housing discrimination lawsuit against him in the 70s, when there was a discrimination lawsuit brought because they weren t renting to black renters, roy cohn told him, double down. don t apologize and you sue the department of justice. this fits the exact pattern of donald trump s entire life. this is who he is. any sign of weakness, forget about it. doesn t matter who wrong he is. that is part of the narcissism, to the point where it s pathologic pathological. so we have now put someone in a position in the office of the presidency that requires someone to be bigger the office is bigger than an individual. and donald trump is morally bankrupt and incapable of the empathy required to be in a position that is bigger than himself. we saw that. people are crying on air. we had anchors today that were