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>> let's -- i want to get to him first because you will be surprised what he says. here is conservative columnist doing a job explaining what's wrong with romney's proposal. let's listen to will on romney. >> this uncertainty surrounding the romney/ryan tax cut plan because they have not specified the deductions that will be closed, and we know where the big money is. mortgage deduction, and state and local are what hit stinking details is the message to the public. i think this creates a real big opening and you saw what david gregory was able to do to him or what jay leno does in talking abo...

>> exactly my point. all the deductions he talked about, charitable contributions, mortgage deduction, and state and local are what hit everybody. >> listen, this is part of a theme, and you can see -- >> but he won't tell it. >> you can see it building to the debate. he won't show us his taxes, won't tell us his tax plan. paul ryan has all these unspecified spending cuts. so when obama and others say are you going to take people off pell grants and throw them out of head start, he goes no, we're not, that's not in the plan, but he won't say where the spending cuts come from. on taxes, persona...