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Know choose your words here. and we can just play around with semantics. people will die as a result of not having health care. but again, i think the answer is not ultimately aca. i think everyone has to have health care. >> i think it's so interesting. bobby jindal actually called me a fake conservative in politico and a few other people republican health reformers, because he's making this argument that we should actually -- it's a good thing to disrupt health coverage for the people who have gotten it through the law, which makes absolutely no sense to most of us, even on the right, to tal...

When you go out to iowa, you see that the people who go to these meetings and the people who vote in these caucuses are even more damaged political junkies than i am. they watch this stuff very, very closely. i would be shocked if -- >> joe, you honestly believe that mainstream conservatives in iowa think it's a good thing that he wrote -- or as o wrote things in a newsletter? >> no, i'm saying there's probably 75% of the public who opposes ron paul for a variety of reasons, but to the 20% or 25% supporting him, which is quite a lot in a field like this, they don't care. >> i think a lot of th...

Had to change his tune on immigration. he was a big guy for comprehensive. now he wants to close the border first, which is sort of mainstream conservative position. i think overall in country, if you look at the polls, on the arizona law it's 60% in favor. however, it differs on regions so it's not as if it applies everywhere. it's an uneven support. it's in some states heavily concentrated like in arizona, and other states it won't work. >> bret: quickly, a.b., i want to play the sound bite of the senate majority leader talking to an hispanic group and reaction to it. >> i don't know how any...

Had to change his tune on immigration. he was a big guy for comprehensive. now he wants to close the border first, which is sort of mainstream conservative position. i think overall in country, if you look at the polls, on the arizona law it's 60% in favor. however, it differs on regions so it's not as if it applies everywhere. it's an uneven support. it's in some states heavily concentrated like in arizona, and other states it won't work. >> bret: quickly, a.b., i want to play the sound bite of the senate majority leader talking to an hispanic group and reaction to it. >> i don't know how any...

Been the attorney general and governor. and also was against abortion and was very conservative on social issues. so appealed to that sector, as well. i think that rick santorum is making a mistake if he wants to be the nominee because, mark, i don't even know this is the right way to appeal to republican voters. yes, you excite the base by going after barack obama, but i think that this is so concerning to party leaders, the anonymous senators who talk to me and talk to people at abc who say he cannot be the nominee and that we then have to look for someone else if mitt romney were to lose mi...