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To be more fringe, right? but if someone like stefanik is now embracing the kind of racism as a campaign platform, does this signal a definitive shift towards that type of fringe concept being more of a mainstream view of the republican party? >> katie, it absolutely does. what is most telling about the data that you just cited is i strongly believe, if you went back five years, ago you would see those ideas as fringe ideas. i'm sure we'll talk about them in a minute when we talk about qanon and some of the other things that elise stefanik is promoting. these are ideas that, but for donald tru...

You're talking about, that the specter of someone who has some knowledge of how the levers of power, especially the levers of intelligence and the military work, is potentially so much more dangerous than what we experienced under four years, so you're taking the obliteration of the rule of law and adding on to it a totally outside the mainstream view of the appropriate use of military power. talk about the concerns among people who understand what that could look like, of a mike flynn ascendancy. >> oh, i mean, at this point, i don't think we would have any idea what country was founded 250 y...

Still wholly owned subsidiary of donald trump? i think that's what we're seeing from this meeting of rnc officials this week. >> rev, the bottom line in all of this is, if you boil it straight down to what we're seeing, is a minority position in the republican party right now to say that january 6th was bad, that a coordinated effort to overturn a presidential election, to stage a coup is bad. that's the minority position. if you hold that position you will be run out of the party or at least marginalized by the party. the mainstream view is that was okay. >> and you will be punished. i mean i...

A UK punk band will perform in the South West later this month. Grade 2 will perform at The Louisiana in Bristol on December 22 The group have released...

A UK punk band will perform in the South West later this month. Grade 2 will perform at The Louisiana in Bristol on December 22 The group have released...