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what the voters want? at the same time, it's a legal challenge, not a political one, that may pose the biggest danger to the only other declared candidate, donald trump. what's the special counsel's latest request from a judge say about the possibility that trump faces criminal charges? and we're watching the white house where the president could face questions from reporters just a few minutes from now. under pressure to talk publicly about the shootdowns in the sky. new nbc reporting about the internal debate over whether he should answer those questions. so a lot going on on t...

The country talking with republicans who either still like trump but are concerned about the indictments that could come down on him or just his age, other aspects of that, but then there's also people who say that it's time to just turn the page from trumpism. the open question, though, is -- and i think that charlie is right, we don't really know what the lanes are going to be here if and beyond anti-trump and in the trump vein. i watched the way that she's making this generational change argument, and it's likely one we're going to hear from other presidential contenders as well because one...

America is not past our prime, it's just that our politicians are past theirs. we won't win the fight for the 21st century if we keep trusting politicians from the 20th century. >> look, we know anecdotally lot thes of republicans say they want to move on from trump, and the ap did a poll a couple of weeks ago asking people who they wanted to lead the party. the majority didn't pick trump or desantis. having said that, nikki haley ended up ties with people like ben shapiro. when you look at the poll, do you see a real desire for generational change, that change that nikki haley and some of the...

Transformed. so the appeal she's making does look very, very good in paper, but she's appealing to a party that just no longer exists. and i'm a little bit puzzled to understand exactly what lane she thinks that she's going to be in. she is -- she's alienated the hardcore trump supporters by running, and yet, she has flip-flopped so many times on donald trump that she's certainly not an anti-trump candidate. i'm just not sure what her lane is right now, and so as of today, this is still a party that is waiting on ron desantis and sort of, you know, the rest of the field. >> well, during her sp...

Trump. just because he's not as old as biden, he is still into his 70s, and that is an argument that you can make against trump without actually being against trump. so that's clearly where she's starting. but i think that, again, it's right to point out she has been on both sides of donald trump several times, even just as a baseline of saying she wouldn't run for president in 2024 if he were running for president. now we see them head to head, although that field's going to grow. >> so meg, the same time the ap shows 34% of republicans frankly don't know who they want leading the party, i'm ...