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You are in a swing district. you are frontline member who sought your seat lost or seat in 2018. how do those folks figure in the calculations of how mccarthy and the caucus as a whole operate in the majority? >> well, chris, those majority makers for the time being are supporting kevin mccarthy. this tends to happen. the majority makers are the ones who tend to make get the most attention from leadership, the most support in trying to win their elections and that means campaign contributions. so where those members will be critical is if mccarthy fails to get the votes. and by the way of matt...

Mccarthy is probably not going to get the support of those majority makers. that's really where you can get into switch ration where the house could fall into chaos. and it's not necessarily a bad chaos, because what you could get is the first speaker at least not no long time, elected with bipartisan support. that would be an game-changer in american politics. >> i think that remains not a likely scenario although a possible one. if, let's say mccarthy did is win the speakership. or whoever it is. here's my big question. when it was possible that republicans were gonna have a 30 seat majority...

Has gone back and forth, back and forth, so many times. she actually told me pointblank, i think my district is 218. she's even putting that kind of pressure on herself. >> yeah. and there have been a number of districts like that, too. you mention the majority makers, one of them also is tom malinowsky of jersey. he had a similar argument and said we cannot hold the house without this district. this spans into the new york suburbs, it also goes into more rural districts. it was more of a democratic district even though he beat the same opponent by just one point two years ago. that was a dist...

History. so new hampshire, pennsylvania, those are two of the races i'll be watching early tomorrow night. let me bring up another one. and dana bush there are three democratic incumbents we're watching. you have spent time thinking about there race, the second district, luria versus higgins. prominent member of the sixth committee, she's on her heels. >> i'm particularly going to be so interested to see what happens in what we call virginia two, the second district there. and part of the reason is because just the logistics of it, the polls close at 7:00 in virginia. they tend to count relati...

-- climb in tax provisions to the bill. what gives? could anything have been done differently to get his vote. joining me now to answer those questions is someone who has been described as the, quote, manchin whisper. i don't know if he wants that description, but he has it. jonathan kott served as a senior adviser for the senator from 2013 to 2022, he's also democratic strategist, a founder of majority makers. jonathan, just a straight question for you to start the day off, are you at all surprised by what you're seeing from your former boss? >> no, not at all. this is who he's been since the...