of article one of the constitution, which is really intended to be a limit on the senate, and essentially what it says is if you impeach and convict someone, the penalties you can impose on them are disqualification from holding office and removal from office and nothing further. but nevertheless, nothing should prevent that person from also being liable in a court of law. there is nothing in that text that says anything about what avenues of relief are open, for example, to the department of justice, which is not addressed an article one. this is meant as a constraint on congress, not a get out of jail free card for a former president. >> in that way they sort of back their way into this argument. >> i could feel it happening. whoa, now, i'm here, what am i doing? >> as lisa said, this is a clause of the constitution that is supposed to limit congress, limit the senate, not give the president more power. but one of the things i have found so interesting about this