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At the rallies and he said mexico will pay for it. >> i was at the rallies, too. i was at the rallies, too. >> that was his thing. i'm telling you, the people there, as you saw, they were excited by that point. in other words, it wasn't just border security, it was i'm going to dominate the world as a dominant actor representing america and make other people pay for things on trade, on the wall, on immigration. you get the final word. >> well, all i'm saying is that virtually every democrat in the majority -- now close to the majority of the country it if not a straight out majority of the cou...

Presidency today to do something, and this is a fact, to do something totally illogical, to break his most famous campaign promise. donald trump vetoing the resolution that would have blocked his claim for an emergency to seize your money, american money to build the border wall. he was forced to do this with opposition, as we've mentioned, from republicans. the veto coming weeks after donald trump actually created the long government shutdown in american history which was, again, done to break his promise that you wouldn't have to pay for the border wall because mexico will pay for it. i can'...

With him, both in washington and around the country, there is slippage around the edges there, certainly on the wall itself and the lengths he's going to to get done. >> how does it help his base to draw attention to the fact that he's basically forcing americans to fund this thing? i mean, the -- it's one thing to sell something that people may or may not want. it's another to say someone else will pay for it. open to another round if someone else is paying for it. then a separate discussion, should i have another round. let me show you, here he was talking about the form in which the payment...

Make mexico will pay for it. >> mexico, in some form, and there are many different forms, will reimburse us. >> one way or the other, mexico is going to pay for the mexico. >> mexico, sean, is going to pay for the wall. >> mexico. >> mexico. >> mexico. >> mexico is going to pay for the wall. >> what does it mean that the president of the united states has gone to these lengths, his first veto against his own party, to drastically break and promote the breakage of that now defunct promise? >> well, what it means is he's sticking to his -- the theory of politics that got him elected president, h...

Exposing a con with facts, to veto it, as we're going to discuss later in the show, it required him basically demonstrating that he is really committed to undermining his own campaign promise that mexico would pay for the wall, no matter what. so i would push back slightly -- i don't think i so much disagree with you as i'm elaborating on your point, but the republicans in the senate are going up against him on the domestic issue of immigration two years in. it does seem that facts, whether it's who pays for the wall or what's exposed in these probes in the long run does move the ball. >> some...