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Arguments of upholding it are outdated but that's not necessarily a vindication for edward snowden who potentially is called a traitor for violating his oath for releasing this information. one does not necessarily flow from the other. the fact that you seek asylum from brazil is its own story which speaks to his complicated cohorts in this but i do think it's a good decision for the american people in the long run. >> snowden said this. i acted on my believe that the nsa massive programs would not withstand the constitutional challenge and the american public deserved a chance to see this don...

2011 and it was conducted by this private firm and unspecified problems were allegedly uncovered at the time. if that is true, does that make snowden's employment even more inexplicable? >> inexplicable, gregg, i would say is one of the kinder choices of words you might make on this saturday. i mean, intolerable, unacceptable. this is an i.t. guy and as my son who does i.t. on his summer breaks will tell you, i.d. guys have access to everything. so you got to pay even more attention than you do to the analysts who are probably much more fully checked. something is backwards here. >> gregg: sus...