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That his base makes about him, he wants -- >> but that's my point. it's not the ultimate judgment his base makes. it's the ultimate judgment we're seeing rush limbaugh and laura ingraham and right wing media make about him. >> it's his calculation that's the ultimate thing. there's one thing they'll hold him to. that's the one thing they'll hold him to. and those senators in states where he has plus 50% rating would never vote to -- >> i agree with rick. his base will forgive lots of lies and promises not being kept but the wall is -- >> i don't agree. >> i don't agree. if you talk to people. ...

Campaign, not just the bannon who came in at the end or the corey lewandowski at the beginning for the paul manafort in the middle. it's those meetings right there that really matter. the symbolism of the pictures we saw today is important for the nation. as we are hearing what is probably a protest outside the white house that is rather loud, but the symbolism armed the world that we had the president and the president-elect who do not like each other, talking about the transition of power. it's effective and it's these meetings right here that make washington work. >> also there were discuss...

Bargaining table. that's why they feel the lame duck session ultimately gave him such a bounce. he had lost ground, frankly with independents. yes, as much as the president appears to be someone who wants to get a deal, make washington work, who is rising above politics ooh on either side, that's a day that they're happy. >> it's classic where you play your democrats on the hill against republicans against the hill and you want a t triangulati triangulation. >> well, yeah. and look. this is a situation where, look, the fact -- this is going -- however it works out, this is going to be a victor...

Himself for the next best hopes.e or one that does no harm no measure can pass without the president's signature. he's far from irrelevant. the about to affect the legislation and inability before now to shape a compromise with house republicans, many of them dedicated to never compromising with him is proving the most significant test to date to bridge the two parties and make washington work. >> joe, let me put this to you. say you are harry reid. what do you want from the president of the united states? he's pointed out, he looks like a guy who used every arrow in his quiver. forget what he...