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Transcripts so when mark wayne mullen, bless his heart, says you're making assumptions. a good debater and a big trump defender and i love getting after it with him because that's the dialogue going on with a a lot of partisans. i know what the transcripts say. so unless they deviate from their testimony, i know people are going to say ukrain was aware this aid was a problem before and after the call. they weren't as acutely aware but they started coming to our diplomats and saying what do we do? we don't want to do this and what did they do after they got the aid? they didn't put out any anno...

They're being won over now. what we need to do is stick to the facts, let it all play out before we start assessing and coming up with hypotheticals about, well, if this happens and this happens. let them do their thing, and then we'll figure it out from there. >> right. i think that errol's point is one that, you know, you've made also, which is if these lawmakers, especially on the right, start hearing that people who are independent say, well, this was really wrong. why do they keep saying that this didn't happen when these three people say it did happen? >> everyone knows it happened. ever...

>> well, i understand the speaker's instincts in this regard. we don't want to make donald trump an underdog. he thrives in that kind of us against him environment. it's interesting, he tries to make himself an outlier when in fact he is the ultimate insider. and so i think that we have to be very careful and delicate as it relates to the impeachment question, because we do not want to make him the underdog going into the 2020 elections. >> if you want impeachment but you won't publicly pressure leadership to do it, how is that really a full-throated push for impeachment? >> well, that's untru...

Opportunity to finally get something done. >> so you think it's congress. i'll take that on with you, niger. but one step before. he does call them monsters. he says that they're drug dealers, rapists. they are the worst. they're not sending us the best but the worst. who is doing the raping, don? remember when he said that to don lemon? who is doing the raping? you look at the data, the people who come in, illegal aliens as you like to call them. they commit crime at a lower rate. he doesn't know the composition of this caravan but he's making assumptions and telling people this is what you s...