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Democratic american election. let that sink in for a second, guys, gals. tell me where there's intent there to subvert american democracy. well, we know how this story is going to end. everybody is going to walk. the bad guys always get away from the trump administration, and they will here as well, and it's just unfortunately the whole american belief that no man is above the law, that doesn't apply to donald trump. we don't know why. it just doesn't. again, this story in and of itself, mika -- >> yeah. >> these texts, they indict all of them as un-american, unpatriotic seditioners. end of st...

Question. and what i heard is the department of justice is not moving with any lack raw tea to make a move on the referral. keep in mind, the january 6th committee is way ahead of the department of justice in terms of putting together the pieces that link various folks on the ground who are attacking the capitol and the side effort of trump and his allies to create what -- what at least ali alexander called maximum pressure outside the pressure, outside the congress on january 6th when republican members who were going to fight this were going to vote on the certification. as for mark meadows,...

Said he's committed multiple crimes. it's just not going to happen. in this case, mika, it's just not going to happen either and that's a very long prelude to say this, even if no charges are ever brought, even if there's no disciplinary actions ever taken in this case, this woodward story and costa story, these texts, these exchanges serve as the most damning indictment against the trump white house that we have seen so far, and mark meadows makes it very clear that he is going to use the shield of jesus christ. what a righteous man, to overturn american democracy, and prosecutors, i don't kn...

Will continue to fight back in the text to ginni thomas, and if you took the name off the text, and it was not ginni thomas, as you say, a respected person, and there's wild videos off of youtube pushing the conspiracy theories, and this is in context with donald trump going out on that morning saying we will take this to the supreme court. no evidence clarence thomas was involved, but the supreme court is in the mix on this. >> these texts from ginni thomas are completely unhinged. the thing that gets me is that she is arguing that sidney powell, the lawyer, be the sort of face and voice of t...

Mentioned. nbc news now confirmed the committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol obtained text messages that show conservative activist, ginni thomas, who is the wife of the supreme court justice clarence thomas, pressing the then trump chief of staff, mark meadows, to overturn the elections, and the copies first obtained by the washington post, and bob woodward and bob costa got those, and nbc news has not independently viewed the text. and joining us now, eugene robinson and carol. we spent the first hour ticking through the texts. what is your takeaway from the messages, ...