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Or is not different in kind. >> well, your honor, it's certainly not different in kind. in fact, it's much milder in degree than a variety of the constitutional rights we've discussed in the state court with potential downside risks from failing state court litigation. in new york times there was a -- quite a great deal of exposure potentially from that defamation action. individuals suffering potentially criminal sanctions for second amendment rights all the time. $10,000 liquidated damages provision and potentially a fee shifting mechanism on top of it is comparatively mild compared to incar...

>> what you saw. >> it was terrible. in particular, i didn't like the attitude of the people. they talked about it almost like we're making widgets or gadgets and it was inappropriate. i didn't like what i saw. i didn't like the doctors or whoever was talking about it. they talked about it like we're doing cars or something. >> you seem to be hesitant about the idea of totally saying let's shut down planned parenthood, let's defund it. >> women's health issues to me are very important. i cherish women. my mother was this incredible woman. i have great children. i have a great wife. i cherish w...

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>> i don't know. i mean, i don't know, but it's possible. i give to so many chuck, i give to so many organizations over the years hundreds of millions of dollars, so i don't know. i don't think so but it's possible. >> it wouldn't have surprised -- >> look. planned parenthood has to stop with the abortions. a lot of people consider it an abortion clinic. the five tapes or the six tapes, i think they were outrageous. i think they were terrible, disgusting by any standpoint, and they have to stop. >> does it bother you they were edited? >> i don't know about them being edited. whatever i saw was...