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I'm not sure he can do it. >> bill: i don't know if he will try to do it because as mr. rove said he may just try to show the country that the republicans are intractable because we do expect the republicans to go up there and say, look, unless you put in tort reform. unless you put in interstate competition of insurance companies two stallworths and maybe -- you are a democrat. maybe you can explain to me why those things are not in the bill, mr. doug schoen. they are not in the bill. the republicans have been hammering that for the last eight months and the president just says i'm not going ...

Like medicare. but in the end, he democrats are putting this out there saying we tried. we tried to have some sort of discussion in washington and now we move out on to plan b. >> first they're going to try plan a. >> reconciliation. >> and to flip it around, the fact is, as you saw with dick durbin. some democrats don't want the malpractice. you have a speech by dick durbin saying malpractice reform stinks. >> i cited $250,000 for the woman with her face burned. he pointed out the cost of malpractice over six years, when i mentioned, has gone in half. it doesn't matter, nobody's mind is being...

>> bill: i don't know if he will try to do it because as mr. rove said he may just try to show the country that the republicans are intractable because we do expect the republicans to go up there and say, look, unless you put in tort reform. unless you put in interstate competition of insurance companies two stallworths and maybe -- you are a democrat. maybe you can explain to me why those things are not in the bill, mr. doug schoen. they are not in the bill. the republicans have been hammering that for the last eight months and the president just says i'm not going to do it. >> bill, i have b...

They have been talking about this for the last year to figure out whether or not it would be necessary. seems evident from those watching from the hill on television and staffers e-mailing from inside the room on both sides of the aisle, democrats and republicans alike, the row conciliation train is leaving the station. reconciliation could take weeks. >> bret: okay, sorry to interrupt you. watching the president and the vice president walk across and i want to listen in to see if we hear anything. talking to durbin, senator from illinois. >> a terrific conversation. see if it made a differenc...

Hospital saying reform is necessary. you can't have the insurers doing this to people. for those of you who sit around saying i don't want it, you are forgetting the actual patients. >> i don't agree. you saw this morning lamar alexander was eloquent. say he goes to the hospital -- this health reform is not going to solve the problem as alexander said. where are the doctors going to be in that hospital? without malpractice reform they won't be in hospitals in rural areas. megyn: we had many democrats say tort reform is in there. this is the answer. i researched it with our green room. in the s...