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And not knowledgeable about it and don't have alternatives. and we laid out a number of different things that we think will make a lot more sense to go step by step to fix the cost problem and also it is important to remember the american people do no want this bill. they have paid a lot of attention to this issue. they have focused on it like a laser for months. but surveys are -- >> if you took something like malpractice reform which you all had really wanted to put in there in a real form rather than just pilot programs here and there, suppose the president said fine, let's have something m...

Just -- >> go ahead, i want to go on to another subject. now, malpractice, in the summit, republicans kept talking about malpractice reform, limiting doctors' liability and in fact house leader, john boehner, your leader, said medical malpractice and defensive medicine are the single biggest driver of medical inflation, and that isn't true, is it? >> it is one of the biggest drivers, i think there are other contributing factors, which are not being addressed in this bill but it is a huge contributing factor. >> chris: let me pick up on that, because, again the cbo says and let's put up the num...

And not knowledgeable about it and don't have alternatives. we laid out a number of different things that we think would make more sense to go step by step to fix the cost problem, and also it's important to remember, the american people do not want this bill. they paid a lot of attention to the issue. they focused on it like a laser for months. >> if you took something like malpractice reform, which you all have really wanted to put in there in a real form rather than pilot programs here and there. suppose the president said fine, let's have something meaningful in malpractice reform, we will...

The insurance market is reform. we had a chance on thursday to actually display some of our brightest, most knowledgeable republicans. i thought it was very good for us because it certainly refuted the notion that republicans are not interested in the subject and not knowledgeable about it and don't have alternatives. we laid out a number of different things that we think would make more sense to go step by step to fix the cost problem, and also it's important to remember, the american people do not want this bill. they paid a lot of attention to the issue. they focused on it like a laser for ...

Jobs bill. it doesn't help anybody. it is just the most pathetic kind of window dressing. >> $5,000 credits to incentivize to hire. i doubt a credit does the job. that is neither here nor there, i guess. >> i think we are pursuing a half cup empty line of running here. i'm not great at math but $15 billion is smaller than $85 billion. what you are seeing is the president and democrats in congress taking what they could get. they took what they could get on this and got a lot of republicans to go along with them. the republicans wanted the tax credits so the president said all right let's do it...