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Plant system, the pentagon once before and the white house. they used this malware suite over years and they knew we would eventually figure it out. but i think they understand our psychology far better than we understand theirs, they believe that the united states as a democratic system is frozen and it will be impossible for us to make a decision without having a very long discussion. you have to understand something, putin has a deep contempt of liberal democracy, western democracy, he feels that this should be replaced with an axis of auto kras cities. now donald trump is in office, he fee...

Play into all this? because they deny they got information from russia in the first place. >> he could prove. wikileaks turned out to be the russian cutout. that's a term of art for the middle man who takes on the information and passes it on and gives it it an air of legitim y legitimacy. let me touch on this hacker for a minute. what he has is he has the electronic genetic code, so to speak of the malware suite that they stole and used to create the software that was used to hack the dnc. he can give the fbi as a working witness, the actual fingerprint of his malware and show how it was modi...

>> i take that with a grain of salt. i don't think it's as significant as they mhave made t out to be. this operation wasn't one individual. the malware suite was known to belong to russian intelligence, these are not types of operations you can do with one or two people. my estimate was 300,000 people would have to be involved in the 24/7, 365-type information of w warfare operation they were performing. we know that they were hiring subcontractors in st. petersburg and moscow to carry out individual act. it's quite possibly he was one of them. >> what do you make of that story? >> i agree wi...