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Mandate was, which was very specific and we've seen from the cases brought and the ones he hasn't brought that he's kept close to the plandate. it was strilctly to look the foorussia's efforts to interfere in the 2016 election and whether the trump campaign coordinated that or had knowledge of the essentially. if it's this type of material that michael cohen is speaking about to prosecutors in new york, that's outside of mueller's madgedate. so that makes sense it's a conversation he would have with prosecutors here. it's the thing he needs do if he has a shot of knocking down three year oofz ...

Figure. >> and that's the interesting possibility. one of the parallels is in the 2016 campaign when comey had the press conference with hillary clinton and the emails. there's not going to be charges, not going to be a case made but then he proceeded to make a pretty damaging political case against her. it possible that's going to be a upshot of what happens with mueller? >> it certainly is going to be complicated with trump off in vietnam trying to deal with north korea as things unfold next week. i wonder indeed if the focus isn't going to shift near southern district of new york and vezs o...

The southern district. i would be deeply concerned with that aspect as well. >> on the subject of michael cohen, the former fixer is the term we always use, expected to testify in front of three different congressional committees. one in an open public hearing. as the "new york times" reports cohen spoke last month with federal prosecutors offering information about possible irregulate airs in the trump family business. and insurance claims the company filed over the years, though no indication that cohen implicated the president in any of those claims. you have mueller, the lead guy too, talk...

It's unclear precisely what that involved and exactly what federal investigators have found so far in the last few weeks since he -- since he made those allegations. >> so just so i'm clear on this, he's meeting with the southern district, is that right? >> that's right. >> and we know he's spent a fair amount of time already since he was raided and indicted and arraigned with both of those offices, correct? this has been an ongoing communication? >> reporter: well, he was debriefed extensively by the investigators in mr. mueller's office. i think in total there were 70 hours of it debriefings...

Lied about contacts with kilminik. and saying quote this is a problematic attempt to shield his russian conspirator from liability and gives rise to legitimate questions about where his loyalties lie, specifically manafort lied about sharing internal campaign polling data and discussing a so-called peace plan that would benefit russia. as mueller's prosecutor told mueller quote this goes to the heart of what the special counsel's office is investigating. all of this begs the question why would manafort risk spending the rest of his life in jail to keep those discussions secret? they've floated...