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Bigger. and two, i'm not sure it's going to be supported by other democrats, so i don't really see it going anywhere. look, the main point is, they might be beating up on joe manchin, but joe manchin has all the cards. he is the 50th vote in a tie senate. if they alienate him, a lot of stuff they want to do won't get done. >> gillian: sale, on the manchin front, it does seem like things took a turn towards the personal very quickly. >> [laughs] >> gillian: he said -- i want to get his quote. he said that "build back better was mcdaris mischaracterized bythe white hoy thought they could beat hi...

Say it was good meeting and they're going to keep working. on the manchin front, he was mum all day. he said he was okay on that $1.7 trillion price tag, but he just tweeted a statement now where he said he is reading through the bill text and he hopes to keep working in good faith. when you heard words like good faith, continuing working, work in progress, they are not close to being done. >> that is what it sounds like, ali visit stally, thank you very much. joining me now is susan rice, she has been a key player in the negotiations. and so thank you for being here, susan rice. you just hear...