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Workers to get vaccinated has spread and you know to working with osha, police, regular companies that have 100 or more workers do the same. do you think this is going too far, the mandate issue or are you okay with it if it leads to more vaccinations and fewer covid cases? >> i'm okay with it if it will save lives. neil, we lost 600,000 people to this disease and 10,000 department need to die if we got vaccines acceptable by people. i'm sorry it has to go to this direction in becoming more heavy handed but we want to lose another 100,000 lives that didn't have to be lost? this is the the mome...

To be difficult for the courts to uphold. the really tricky issue is the one that's heading up the road, which is what happens, and it's already starting to happen, what happens when a state bans a vaccine mandate or bans a mask mandate in a locality as congressman o'rourke was just talking about. what happens when a locality says we want one. that conflict, that's a much tougher issue and i think that's the big fight that's going to be going on for months now. >> would that potentially end up in the supreme court? >> it might, although many of those issues will be resolved under state law. th...

>> it might, although many of those issues will be resolved under state law. there are lots of state rules about you know, what localities are allowed to do and what is the province of a state. those are usually decided under state law. they probably would not wind up before the supreme court but some sort of mandate issue may well wind up before the supreme court and the fact that justice barrett, you know, who is a conservative, you know, didn't rebel at this mandate is at least one sign in the win that this issue is something that even conservative justices may have some sympathy for. >> so...

That px was developed by the trump administration and approved during the trump administration. so people on the right who are skeptics, this is kind of your vaccine. so, now, i think, okay, if you don't want do get a shot, you're putting me at risk. if you get really sick with covid and have a $500,000 hospitalization or need a lung transplant, that makes my insurance premiums go up, too. right -- >> right, what i hear you saying, dr. rosenthal, what i hear you saying if you are not getting a shot today, you are a scuba diver, you are engaging in risky behavior. and for insurance purposes sho...

Country now. in terms of the mandate issue, the challenge is going to be here as you heard the political optics. but as a public health person, i'll do whatever i can to get people vaccinated. it's legal, ethical and treats people with the kind of information that they need to have. in the public sector, you have to offer exclusions whether they're religious, medical, and what we're very concerned about is that many will take an exclusion as opposed to complying with the mandate. that can happen with many, many school mandates. >> i mean, obviously vaccines are one thing. but then it seems the...