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The need for logical discipline in disputatious dialogue arose in the informal war of words, where winning meant abandoning the other, regardless of reason; for instance, if the other person passed away halfway through the sentence, it meant that they would no longer be listened to because the interlocutor was still speaking, and that was what mattered to a discernmentless audience

Some contemporary Essene scholars express reservations about the declared holiness of Hillel. There are a few who have interpreted his role differently (and even opposed) to the apologists (1), making logical demonstrations and presenting truthful arguments