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Necessary to effect the arrest. if you have to take them to the ground you do so in the face up as opposed to the prone position or face down like we saw in the garner case. the reason it's taught that way is because positional asphyxiation due to these face-down prone chokehold maneuvers is lethal. and you don't know who amongst us has health problems such as mr. garner had that makes people like that especially susceptible to death. the better police practice is face up or we call it supine restraint rather than prone. >> do you think there will be a federal case? do you think? do you think ...

Clamoring for justice. that is how we've achieved change. the people being out there on the streets is something that i think is a manifestation of that anger. it's being done in a very productive way. we have not had any incidents and that's important to be respected. >> do you think people clamoring for justice means there's been an injustice? >> i believe there has been in this case. >> do you believe the people clamoring for justice is evidence there's been an injustice? >> i think people are experiencing the frustrations they feel that there's a system that has not been responsive and has...

Of persistent, out of people clamoring for justice. that is how we've achieved change. the people being out there on the streets is something that i think is a manifestation of that anger. it's being done in a very productive way. we have not had any incidents and that's important to be respected. >> do you think people clamoring for justice means there's been an injustice? >> i believe there has been in this case. >> do you believe the people clamoring for justice is evidence there's been an injustice? >> i think people are experiencing the frustrations they feel that there's a system that ha...

A growing movement. >> are they able to shut down the bridge? >> they are trying right now. there are some cars that are on the street but they haven't been able to fully shut down the bridge quite yet. >> thank you, amanda sakuma. i'm joined by professor paul butler. a former federal prosecutor himself. philip holloway and also former prosecutor and former police offic officer, both of those titles went to him. and a criminal defense attorney. my main focus with mr. butler, professor butler is a criminal case in criminal court. when you look at the pictures, i want to show some what happened ...

I can speak for myself. i cannot speak for every single individual. >> you believe the police officers in that case should have been indicted or some level of homicide? >> this should have been taken to a criminal trial. >> but the only way is to indict. >> exactly. i believe there should have been indictment. i believe the grand jury was wrong. >> what do you think, mike? >> i think she's got it exactly right. >> you think politicians should be able to render justice saying in the case of -- she has very carefully not saying people should be convicted but a trial court. >> i think politicians...