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Saw environmental groups and labor groups working together against some of the trade deals that were done over the last few decades. what trump has done has come along and said he is not for trade deals. is he not for nafta. he wants to rewrite nafta. he threw out tpp. i think that really resonated. that's where the split comes. in that really resonated with the blue collar union groups. the construction groups. and the manufacturing groups. because they identify with what he has got to say about trade. and in many parts of this country, trade with china in particular. i would say more so than...

They said well, we might do something but we are not promising how much. i think ali had it right. it depends on how much they do. you will probably not notice it much, frankly. >> i mean, the american manufacturing groups or worker groups were saying, we'll believe it when we see it. >> i hate to be a terrible cynic, but i think we should find out who are the media strategists for the government of china, and these people should form their own global pr company. it has been a master stroke. it has been brilliant. they got the chart about how made in china will be more expensive, but actually,...