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Incarceration where this nation spends $80 billion a year putting people in prison rather than educating them in the schoolhouse. these are major problems. this is not a white problem or a black problem or republican problem or conservative problem this is an american problem. $80 billion going down the drain in mass incarceration and it's ridiculous. >> go ahead, mark. >> well when i hear richard he is kind of -- kind of coloring this with a lot of crayons. when you talk about violate crime and who is in prison it's exactly the proportion of who is identified in crime reports and the exact pr...

Case i'd probably issue the same ruling. what about you? >> i agree and i agree with mark. it's not what the judge ruled but the fact that he had the guts to do it, considering what happened in the past and what was happening right there and then. they knew it wasn't a huge protest, but protesting was starting right outside the courthouse. you don't want to be the individual to start another one of those riots. but what i'm looking for -- i did a research on the maryland law. the defense the make the motion of we want you to reed the grand jury minutes and we want you to make sure that the gra...