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Bernhard langer came out and said, this is not true. >> what did i say in response to your last question, katy? >> when he doesn't name them, you can't find them to confirm the veracity. when he does name them -- >> bernhard didn't even try to vote. >> i don't know. who knows. >> who is near a polling place? >> it underscores what he was saying which is there was massive voter fraud in the country because people who don't look like americans are allowed to vote. >> voter fraud would have been enough to tip the popular vote his way over hillary clinton. it's always some sort of angle to make hi...

Some ingenious russian troll bot would invent him. >> yes, it's true. colin kaepernick, when he started kneeling on the side lines and he sort of brought politics large into football, i knew that my respite from u.s. politics was just over forever. i mean, one of the things i tried to do is just sort of get access to a lot of the people who had run this thing. the national football league is filled with very, very rich, very, very nervous people. and for better or force worse, there is a same coastal verse heart land, trumpian divide you see in our politics. people just sort of -- there is a s...

Media-primed video screen in mind. mark, what do you think? >> i think that it's true but i think that's a few steps ahead of ourselves here. beto o'rourke obviously has succeeded in exciting the liberal base, the democratic base. a lot of people in texas, a lot of donors across the country and that video went instantly viral and has got a great following. but the bottom line is he's got to get elected to the senate in texas, which remains until we see otherwise a very conservative state and exact ly the kind of state where colin kaepernick and kneeling during the national anthem is not going ...

Times. he writes, politics always seemed to be intruding somehow. this was very much a product of donald j. trump and his ability to swallow up as much attention as possible from this bizarre american moment he was leading the nation through. why should football be safe? mark, you're back with us. the book is, i imagine, going to land like a bombshell much in the way this town did, which is for the nfl. you had covered politics for so long, covered washington for so long. you took a break to go cover the nfl and suddenly in the middle of it you find yourself writing about both at the same ti...

But, mr. president, keep going, you're doing the right thing. >> joining us now, mark leib vits chief correspondent for the washington times magazine, jonathan cape heart, both are msnbc contributors. mark, why don't any of these friends have names? >> he's obviously trying to protect their anonymity. he's very privacy oriented. >> are they anonymous sources? he hates those. >> i would never accuse him of making them up or anything. jim actually is someone who has a name. this is sort of a version of the many people are saying, or a lot of people are saying. this actually gets to a lot of peop...