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Because of the innovation. but the whole idea that that's going to be the key to getting jobs back, a lot of people doubt that authenticity of that. what's your take? >> no. that's not the solution. just to give you a number, there is 50,000 coal miners across the country, 50,000. there are over 100,000 people who work at gm in the united states. there is over 300,000 ups workers. walmart employees over a million employees in the united states. there's 150 million jobs across the united states. so the thought that we're going to create a lot of coal jobs, and that's going to help in terms of o...

With donald trump. i went to a lot of these coal towns and what's happened has been devastating. it's true that coal has been on a decline in large part not because of renewable energy but because we have had such a huge increase in natural gas, which is a fantastic thing. but, look, this country was built on coal, alison, we have 500 years worth of coal, the idea we are just going to destroy our coal industry, no. >> what about his idea, steve, that he's going to bring it back. >> he will. there's two things about coal. the class of production -- mark thoughs this. the cost is falling just as...

The left as it were on coal and all fossil fuels, there is an industry, there's ten million people, mark, ten million people in the oil and gas industry and the left wants to destroy that industry as well. >> but steve you make a good point. the point you made earlier is a good one. the problem that the coal industry faces is the natural gas industry. >> true. >> and the problem that fossil fuel in general has is low global prices for oil, natural gas, coal and other energy. so you can change the clean power plan. you can get rid of all environmental regulations. prices are determined globally...