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They just can't believe it. so they leak it. and i think that's a lot of what you get in the press today. >> and, matthew, this of course adds to a paranoia which has been kind of an operating thesis in that west wing you cover. >> that's exactly right. we know the president sort of feels this paranoia about the deep state or other leakers. but to touch on what jeremy said earlier, it is sort of a paranoia of back-stabbing in the west wing that leads to so many of these leaks happening. donald trump does not engender a lot of loyalty in his staff, either to him or to each other. so i think wha...

There is no sign rudy giuliani is giving up anytime soon on his current media tour. the president's lead lawyer in the russia investigation made multiple television appearances today and called nbc news to discuss the russia investigation. among the highlights, giuliani seems more optimistic today about the chances of a presidential interview. he spoke about narrowing the scope of said possible questions tonight on fox news. >> the president has a great desire to come forward and tell the truth if he gets a fair hearing. our job is to make sure he gets a fair hearing, meaning jay sekulow and t...

That just fuels more paranoia about your colleagues, about who's saying what about you, who's trying to back-stab who, and i think we've seen all that play out more publicly than we've ever seen in any other white house. you don't even see this kind of thing in various congressional offices. gentlemen, as always, thank you both for joining us tonight. coming up for us, as the mueller investigation marks its first birthday, we look back at the other historic anniversary that today marks. it has to do with the downfall of an american president. the celebrated author and historian jon meacham w...

>> the entire thing has been a witch hunt and there is no collusion. >> why do you believe you were fired? >> i take the president at his word that i was fired because of the russia investigation. >> the president's son is now admitting he was promised dirt about hillary clinton last summer before agreeing to meet with a russian lawyer with suspected ties to the kremlin. >> i did not include with russia, nor do i know of anyone else in the campaign who did so. >> in just the last couple of mnlts a spokesperson for paul manafort confirming an fbi raid at one of manafort's home. >> paul manafort...

Feeding this. >> that's right. our reporting and a lot of this is from my colleague, bob costa, a friend of the show, is that congressman mark meadows has been talking to the president a lot, three, four, five times a week on the phone about this very matter, trying to get him excited about this issue about the stalemate in congress right now between the house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes and the justice department. nunes is seeking documents, records about the early stage of the probe. the justice department is withholding it for now. and there's a bit of tension within the wes...