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minneapolis? >> it actually only turned out to be three. he was elected to a second term that would have been but then became senator. >> how well did you know him personally? >> i didn't know him at all. never met him. just about everybody i know met him but i haven't. >> jump ahead, how long did it take you to do the documentary and where did it air first? >> it took a long time. i started actually first ham lip university gave me seed money in 2000 and all the way money in 2000 and all the way to 2010 and it was a long process, not so much ofaking the film but of raising money and...

photographs, 5,000 audiotapes and i had started in -- i started documentary work earlier, maybe three years earlier, and i thought why hand anyone ever done this? it was a gold mine of material. i learned more about him. i grew up in minneapolis. he was part of my childhood but didn't know much about him and he's really kind of forgotten even in minnesota. but all this material thrilled me so that's how it started, really. as i dug into it, it was wonderful. >> who was he? >> i think he was more of a humanitarian than a politician, frankly. i think he used politics as a religion. us ...